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Astonishing Healthcare breaks down the complex systems that move medicine, money, and care across the healthcare industry.
The show is built for the people doing the work.
For healthcare leaders, benefits professionals, pharmacy and medical claims stakeholders, employers, consultants, and anyone who needs to stay ahead of the forces shaping the healthcare ecosystem.

Clear, substantive conversations
We trade jargon and surface-level takes for clear, substantive conversations that help you understand what's happening and why it matters.
Sharper insight, practical context
You'll come away with sharper insight, practical context, and a better grasp of where the industry is headed.
Topics that move the needle
Each episode digs into the topics like: pharmacy benefit management, drug pricing & the supply chain, medical claims processing & adjudication, health benefits administration, and the regulatory shifts that change the rules overnight.
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AH079 - Capital Equilibrium, a New Level-Funded Pharmacy Plan, with Mike Miele, FSA, MAAA
Episode 79 of the Astonishing Healthcare podcast is all about level-funded insurance plans. Mike Miele, FSA, MAAA, explains what plan sponsors need to know and how they can bring predictability to pharmacy spending.
August 22, 2025
AH078 - More About Judi Health™ & the Unified Benefits Experience, with Dr. Sunil Budhrani and Mike Tate
This episode of the Astonishing Healthcare podcast is a follow-up on Judi Health™, Capital Rx's unified pharmacy and medical benefits solution; we highlight early cost savings data, the member experience, and more.
August 15, 2025
AH076 - PBM 'Boogeymen' & Stopping the Madness Out There, with Jeff Hogan
This Episode of the Astonishing Healthcare podcast features Jeff Hogan, President of Upside Health Advisors, and highlights recent health policy news, how health plan sponsors can increase control of their plans and improve visibility, and more.
August 1, 2025
AH075 - What Health Systems Need [From a PBM]: A Blend of Tech, Transparency, and Understanding, with Lindsey Butler, PharmD, and Chris England
This Episode of the Astonishing Healthcare podcast features Lockton's Lindsey Butler, PharmD, and covers what health systems need from a pharmacy benefit partner, and the challenges and opportunities available in the market.
July 25, 2025
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